Tuesday, August 30, 2005

[World Soccer Club] Digest Number 1585

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: With goalie at a concert, Belgian girls football team suffers 50-1 defeat
From: "Manuel" <manuelgon_1999@yahoo.com>
2. Re: France fall away
From: "Manuel" <manuelgon_1999@yahoo.com>
3. Re: The WSC god has aged again.....
From: "Manuel" <manuelgon_1999@yahoo.com>
4. Re: The WSC god has aged again.....
From: "Manuel" <manuelgon_1999@yahoo.com>
5. Re: The WSC god has aged again.....
From: "Manuel" <manuelgon_1999@yahoo.com>
6. A man who helped three women was then forced at gunpoint to......
From: "Nick Morris" <n_i_c_k_17@yahoo.co.uk>
7. Re: The WSC god has aged again.....
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
8. Re: The WSC god has aged again.....
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
9. Re: HOGGARD THE HERO AS ENGLAND WIN
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
10. Re: Management games?
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
11. Re: PSV's Lee leaves for London
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
12. Re: A man who helped three women was then forced at gunpoint to......
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
13. Re: Management games?
From: marta_grimsdottir
14. Re: The WSC god has aged again.....
From: marta_grimsdottir
15. Re: The WSC god has aged again.....
From: marta_grimsdottir
16. Re: France fall away
From: marta_grimsdottir
17. Re: Match Preview - Norwich City
From: marta_grimsdottir
18. Re: HOGGARD THE HERO AS ENGLAND WIN
From: "Nick Morris" <n_i_c_k_17@yahoo.co.uk>
19. Re: Management games?
From: "Nick Morris" <n_i_c_k_17@yahoo.co.uk>
20. Re: Management games?
From: "Nick Morris" <n_i_c_k_17@yahoo.co.uk>
21. Re: Management games?
From: marta_grimsdottir
22. Re: Management games?
From: marta_grimsdottir

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:48:31 -0000
From: "Manuel" <manuelgon_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: With goalie at a concert, Belgian girls football team suffers 50-1 defeat

back stage or back door..LOL

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Annals? :))))
>
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> >
> > the goalie got her own sort of goals back stage LOL
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > A third-division provincial girls football team entered the
annals of
> > > Belgian soccer on Saturday after suffering a crushing 50-1 defeat
> > > because of the absence of a single but crucial player: their music-
> > > loving goalkeeper.
> > >
> > > SK Berlaar's goal was left unguarded in a match with FC Malines
after
> > > its goalie opted instead to go to a rock festival, Het Laatste
Nieuws
> > > reported Monday.
> > >
> > > "Kick-off, move upfield and in it goes. That was repeated without a
> > > halt. At half-time, it was already 27-to-0," the Flemish newspaper
> > > said, describing how 16-year-old Charlotte Jacobs tried in vain to
> > > defend the goal in the absence of the usual goal-keeper.
> > >
> > > "We came back in the second half. We only took 23 goals and we even
> > > made one at the end. They let us score, that was nice," the
teenager
> > > said.
> > >
> > > "If you subtract the time needed to get the ball from the net and
> > > bring it to centre-field, we can say that the girls from Malines
> > > scored almost every minute," she remarked.
> > >
> > > "Luckily, there's no return match," team captain Julie Lemmens said
> > > more bitterly.
> > >
> > > But SK Berlaar's secretary, Jan Verbinnen, was unmoved by the loss
> > > and saw a way of inverting the outcome, noting that the other team
> > > had registered 16 instead of 15 players for the match.
> > >
> > > "If I tell the Federation, they will have lost the match 5-0 and
will
> > > be eliminated from the championships," he told the newspaper.
> > >
> > > ****************************
> > >
> > > Can't be that bad even with a reserve goalie :p

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:50:00 -0000
From: "Manuel" <manuelgon_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: France fall away

Even in winter? what do you do for fun in winter?

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Iceland is great any time of year
>
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > Is Iceland nice this time of the year?
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > Iceland dropped 2 spots!!!! I don't like this ranking no more!!! :((
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Two CONCACAF teams in top 6 LOL
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > With only 24 `A' international matches having been played in the
> > last
> > > > > four weeks, there are few major changes in August's FIFA World
> > > > > Ranking. Brazil, Argentina, the Netherlands, the Czech
Republic,
> > > > > Mexico and Gold Cup winners the USA continue to occupy the top
> six
> > > > > positions, but England (7th, up 1) overtake Spain (8th, no
> change).
> > > > >
> > > > > Due to a devaluation of past results, the French (9th, down 2)
> > > > > continue to lose ground and they are now in their lowest
position
> > > > > since winning the World Cup in 1998.
> > > > >
> > > > > This month's major movers are to be found lower down the
ranking,
> > > > > with Cosafa Cup winners Zimbabwe (51st, up 2) and defeated
> > finalists
> > > > > Zambia (56th, up 6) narrowly missing out on joining the top 50.
> > Qatar
> > > > > (68th, up 7) and Gold Cup finalists Panama (77th, up 6) also
> climb
> > > > > more than five places. Panama, defeated by the USA only on
> > penalties
> > > > > in the final of the Gold Cup, currently sit in their highest
ever
> > > > > position in the FIFA World Ranking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Given the lack of movement in the upper echelons of the
> ranking, it
> > > > > is hardly surprising that there is no change to the regional
> > > > > composition of the top 50. With 26 representatives, UEFA still
> > boasts
> > > > > more than half of the top 50, with the remaining teams coming
> from
> > > > > CAF (8), CONMEBOL (6), CONCACAF (5) and AFC (5).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Brazil......................837...0
> > > > > 2. Argentina...................782...0
> > > > > 3. Netherlands.................780...0
> > > > > 4. Czech Republic..............777...0
> > > > > 5. Mexico......................770...0
> > > > > 6. USA.........................768...0
> > > > > 7. England.....................743...+1
> > > > > 8. Spain.......................739...0
> > > > > 9. France......................737...-2
> > > > > 9. Portugal....................737...+1
> > > > > 11.Germany.....................722...0
> > > > > 12.Turkey......................712...0
> > > > > 13.Italy.......................711...+1
> > > > > 14.Republic of Ireland.........709...+1
> > > > > 15.Iran........................708...0
> > > > > 15.Sweden......................708...+2
> > > > > 17.Japan.......................706...-4
> > > > > 18.Greece......................696...+1
> > > > > 18.Denmark.....................696...+1
> > > > > 20.Croatia.....................693...+2
> > > > > Some others:
> > > > > 23.Korea Republic..............681...-2
> > > > > 25.Uruguay.....................675...-7
> > > > > 52.Belgium.....................585...-2
> > > > > 53.Trinidad and Tobago.........574...+5
> > > > > 56.Zambia......................569...+6
> > > > > 57.Australia...................568...+3
> > > > > 57.Iraq........................568...-5
> > > > > 62.Uzbekistan..................561...-9
> > > > > 63.Jordan......................560...-6
> > > > > 68.Oman........................549...-4
> > > > > 68.Qatar.......................549...+7
> > > > > 71.Angola......................546...-3
> > > > > 77.Panama......................540...+6
> > > > > 83.Wales.......................517...-3
> > > > > 94.Iceland.....................486...-2
> > > > > 97.Indonesia...................478...-5
> > > > > 105.Cyprus.....................443...+4
> > > > > 116.Northern Ireland...........410...-4
> > > > > 130.Mozambique.................352...+4
> > > > > 134.Andorra....................346...+1
> > > > > 137.Fiji.......................338...+4
> > > > > 162.Sierra Leone...............218...-6
> > > > > 180.Mongolia...................141...+3
> > > > > 183.Central African Republic...140...-3
> > > > >
> > > > > ***************************
> > > > >
> > > > > The French are finaly loosing some spots :)

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:53:01 -0000
From: "Manuel" <manuelgon_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The WSC god has aged again.....

hmmmm...just a bit less LOL

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok" <Eddcases@y...>
wrote:
> So that makes you erm...... 92 now then ;)
>
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> >
> > CONGRATS!!!!! I was 22 in 1988 :))
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > Yes the rumours are true people. I am a year older today and i
am the
> > > grand old age of 22. A year older and a year wiser......yeah
bollocks
> > > to that! Lol! Will be getting very pissed tonight :D
> > >
> > > Nick

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:54:10 -0000
From: "Manuel" <manuelgon_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The WSC god has aged again.....

MANUEL :))

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok" <Eddcases@y...>
wrote:
> Congradulations for September, well done Mangy :-)
> has he got a name yet?
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I feel younger every day :)) My son will be born in
> > September! :))
> >
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > Lol cool. Mangy is no doubt feeling very old.......or just needs to
> > > get someone younger to make him feel younger :))
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > Happy birthday!
> > > >
> > > > I'll be 22 in 2008 :)))
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > CONGRATS!!!!! I was 22 in 1988 :))
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Yes the rumours are true people. I am a year older today and i
> > > am the
> > > > > > grand old age of 22. A year older and a year wiser......yeah
> > > bollocks
> > > > > > to that! Lol! Will be getting very pissed tonight :D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nick

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:56:29 -0000
From: "Manuel" <manuelgon_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The WSC god has aged again.....

Yugoslavia...East Germany...USSR (CCCP)...North and South
Vietnam...North and South Korea...ooops LOL

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok" <Eddcases@y...>
wrote:
> I remember USSR but didnt they used to wear CCCP on thers shirts?
> and also West/east germany, czechslovakia not czech rep.
> those were the days!
>
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> >
> > How does it feel to have never known about the USSR, communist
> > Germany, Live Aid, to never have seen Maradona...
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > :))
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > wow
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Happy birthday!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll be 22 in 2008 :)))
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CONGRATS!!!!! I was 22 in 1988 :))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes the rumours are true people. I am a year older today
and i
> > > > am the
> > > > > > > grand old age of 22. A year older and a year wiser......yeah
> > > > bollocks
> > > > > > > to that! Lol! Will be getting very pissed tonight :D
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nick

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:04:57 -0000
From: "Nick Morris" <n_i_c_k_17@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: A man who helped three women was then forced at gunpoint to......

Johannesburg: The hunt is on for three women who ambushed a
30-year-old man and forced him to have sex with them at gunpoint.

According to police spokeswoman Paula Nothnagel, a case of indecent
assault had been opened and identity kits would be released soon. The
man cannot be named because of the nature of the offence.

Nothnagel said that on Saturday night the man was walking through
Roodepoort when the women pulled up next to him in their maroon BMW.

They asked him for directions to the Savoy Hotel and he got into the
car to show them the way.

At the hotel the women persuaded him to join them for a drink, before
asking him for directions to yet another hotel.

While on the road to the Station Hotel the women suddenly changed
direction and drove to a dark and empty field near the Durban Deep mine.

"One woman produced a firearm and held the man at gunpoint," Nothnagel
said.

"The women got undressed and all three took turns to have intercourse
with him."

The man was then ordered back into the car and dropped off along Main
Reef Road.

Nothnagel said the man then went home before opening a case at the
local police station. The West Rand Family Violence, Child Protection
and Sexual Offences Unit is investigating. They suspect the women were
all aged between 20 and 30.
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lol was he gay or were they just that ugly? lol

nick

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:33:02 -0000
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The WSC god has aged again.....

and another victory tonight :)
Well done Kolar!

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> We are at the Championship!!!!
>
> 5th place would aready by nice for now.
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok"
<Eddcases@y...>
> wrote:
> > Midlands team, good man! :-) I wanna see them go up this season
> >
> > Do you think they will make it out of the conferance ;-)
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > It's always sad to see a team leaving his own stadium which is
full
> > > of history. Just like with Bayern Munchen.
> > > Bayern's stadium was very ugly in my opinion, but it was their
> > > stadium :)
> > >
> > > No, I don't think I will go to Arsenal this season.
> > >
> > > I became a Stoke fan thanks to their new Dutch/Belgian manager
and
> > > few Belgian players ;)
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > u planning to go this season then? highbury will be no more
after
> > > this
> > > > season :))
> > > >
> > > > nick
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Yep, congratulations.
> > > > > Good to hear you got wiser.
> > > > > We could even go to Highbury together someday ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > <manuelgon_1999@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CONGRATS!!!!! I was 22 in 1988 :))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes the rumours are true people. I am a year older
today and
> > > i am
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > grand old age of 22. A year older and a year
wiser......yeah
> > > > > bollocks
> > > > > > > to that! Lol! Will be getting very pissed tonight :D
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nick

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:01 -0000
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The WSC god has aged again.....

You should learn your cyrillic better :)
Check what CCCP means:
http://www.experiencebulgaria.org/PublicImages/cyrillic_alphabet.gif

Now you know why we say CCCP and they say SSSR ;)
Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik

Now let us all sing the 1977-91 version :D

http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/voices/realaudio/sovietnationa
lanthem.ra

Soyuz Nerushimyj Respublik svobodnyh
Splotila naveki Velikaya Rus'.
Da zdravstvuet sozdannyj volej narodov
Edinyj, moguchij Sovetskij Soyuz!

[Pripev:]
Slav'sya otechestvo nashe svobodnoe,
Druzhby narodov nadyozhnyj oplot!
Partiya Lenina - sila narodnaya
Nas k torzhestvu kommunizma vedyot!

Indestructible Union of free republics
Forever united by the great Rus'
Long live, created by the will of the peoples,
The one, mighty Soviet Union!

Chorus:
Praise our free Fatherland -
Steadfast fruit of the friendship of the peoples!
Lenin's party - people's power
Leads us to the triumph of Communism!

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
<manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
>
> Yugoslavia...East Germany...USSR (CCCP)...North and South
> Vietnam...North and South Korea...ooops LOL
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok"
<Eddcases@y...>
> wrote:
> > I remember USSR but didnt they used to wear CCCP on thers shirts?
> > and also West/east germany, czechslovakia not czech rep.
> > those were the days!
> >
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > How does it feel to have never known about the USSR, communist
> > > Germany, Live Aid, to never have seen Maradona...
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > :))
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > wow
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Happy birthday!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll be 22 in 2008 :)))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > CONGRATS!!!!! I was 22 in 1988 :))
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Yes the rumours are true people. I am a year older
today
> and i
> > > > > am the
> > > > > > > > grand old age of 22. A year older and a year
wiser......yeah
> > > > > bollocks
> > > > > > > > to that! Lol! Will be getting very pissed tonight :D
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nick

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:58:09 -0000
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: HOGGARD THE HERO AS ENGLAND WIN

Sorry guys, but I don't think that anyone on mainland Europe ever
watched a Cricket game :p

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
<n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> yep catches win matches and pietersen, strauss and the wicket keeper
> have been big culprits for dropped catches. we wouldnt have won the
> first one, but we would have won the next 3 easily.
>
> nick
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok"
<Eddcases@y...>
> wrote:
> > yep, needed a oaultry 129 to win and lose 7 wickets! should have
won
> > convincingly like in the 2nd test but nearly fucked that up! and
if it
> > wasnt but for 1 wicket in the 3rd we would already have the ashes!
> > Mind you if are wicket keeper new how to keep wicket and catch the
> > ball, we probably could have won all 4
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > yeah a good win. typical england made a meal of getting 129,
but we
> > > did it in the end. now only need a draw at the oval and we got
the
> > > series. u can shove that up ur arse u convicts!
> > >
> > > nick
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok"
<Eddcases@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > England 477 (A Flintoff 102, G O Jones 85, M E Trescothick
65, M P
> > > > Vaughan 58, S K Warne 4-102) & 129-7 (S K Warne 4-31) v
> Australia 218
> > > > (S P Jones 5-44) & 387 (J L Langer 61, S M Katich 59, M J
Clarke 56)
> > > > England beat Australia by 3 wkts
> > > >
> > > > If the ending to the previous Tests at Edgbaston and Old
> Trafford were
> > > > tense almost beyond belief, there was something of the
surreal about
> > > > England's three wicket victory here at Trent Bridge.
> > > >
> > > > Set just 129 to win the fourth Test, England stuttered and
> stumbled to
> > > > their target after Shane Warne and Brett Lee had given
Australia
> hope
> > > > when all seemed lost.
> > > >
> > > > But ultimately it was Matthew Hoggard and Ashley Giles the
> batsmen who
> > > > carried England to victory, meaning they take a 2-1 lead to
the
> final
> > > > Test at The Oval in 11 days' time needing only a draw to win
the
> Ashes
> > > > that were lost here in 1989.
> > > >
> > > > If you rolled the Tests at Edgbaston and Old Trafford into
one you
> > > > still wouldn't get the drama and tension created at the end
of this
> > > > fourth day in Nottingham.
> > > >
> > > > The England bowlers strained every sinew to chip away at the
> > > > Australian batting line-up and they were finally dismissed by
> tea-time
> > > > for 387 having resumed on 222-4.
> > > >
> > > > At the end Hoggard cracked six off one over of Lee's before
Giles
> > > > nudged it for two off Warne to give England the win.
> > > >
> > > > No-one thought it would be easy but when Warne broke through
> with his
> > > > first delivery it was clear England and their fans were set
for an
> > > > uncomfortable afternoon.
> > > >
> > > > Openers Marcus Trescothick and Andrew Strauss put on 32 with
few
> > > > alarms but the introduction of Warne after just five overs
almost
> > > > changed the game and the very destination of the Ashes.
> > > >
> > > > Trescothick hit four fours in a 22-ball 27, but fell to
Warne's
> first
> > > > ball, reaching forward and bat-padding the ball to Ricky
> Ponting, who
> > > > held on to a superb low catch.
> > > >
> > > > England added just another four runs before skipper Michael
Vaughan
> > > > became Warne's next victim, a leading edge pouched by Matthew
Hayden
> > > > at first slip.
> > > >
> > > > A 21-run stand between Ian Bell and Strauss ended when the
Middlesex
> > > > left-hander glanced a Warne delivery to Michael Clarke at leg
slip,
> > > > the third umpire agreeing that the Australian did indeed
scoop the
> > > > ball up before it hit the ground.
> > > >
> > > > Australia had the sniff of a remarkable victory moments later
> without
> > > > another run added, as Bell was tempted into a hook shot off
Lee's
> > > > bouncer and Michael Kasprowicz held on at fine leg to reduce
the
> hosts
> > > > to 57-4.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin Pietersen and Andrew Flintoff put on 46 together to get
> England
> > > > to within touching distance of victory, but there was more
drama to
> > > come.
> > > >
> > > > Lee was reintroduced with just 26 needed for victory he
immediately
> > > > tempted Pietersen into a loose drive, Adam Gilchrist holding
a fine
> > > > tumbling catch.
> > > >
> > > > Flintoff and Geraint Jones put on a further eight together
> before Lee
> > > > produced a superb inswinging delivery that clipped the top of
> > > > Flintoff's off stump.
> > > >
> > > > With 13 still to get Jones was tempted down the pitch by
Warne and
> > > > miscued an attempt to hit over the top, Kasprowicz calmly
taking the
> > > > catch at deep cover.
> > > >
> > > > That brought Matthew Hoggard to the wicket and the Yorkshire
seamer
> > > > was the coolest man in Nottingham. He carved out an unbeaten -
and
> > > > chanceless eight - and left it up to Giles to win the match
with
> an on
> > > > drive off Warne.
> > > >
> > > > Hoggard had earlier got the important breakthrough just
before lunch
> > > > and again in his second over after the interval as Australia
> began to
> > > > lose wickets as they endeavoured to set England a testing
target.
> > > >
> > > > The Yorkshire seamer induced an edge from Michael Clarke (56)
10
> > > > minutes before lunch to boost England's morale after a
difficult
> > > > morning session as Australia went in at 270-5.
> > > >
> > > > And with just seven runs added to the score, dangerman Adam
> Gilchrist
> > > > played round a straight ball and was trapped in front by a
ball that
> > > > pitched on leg stump and went straight on.
> > > >
> > > > Clarke had edged Giles past Trescothick on the way to a
patient
> > > > half-century with Simon Katich remaining steadfast at the
other end.
> > > >
> > > > But Clarke, who had not been tempted to attack England's
defensive
> > > > strategy throughout the morning, finally followed an
outswinger
> having
> > > > reached 56 and Jones gleefully snapped up the chance.
> > > >
> > > > England had been frustrated in the absence of much movement
with the
> > > > old ball, particularly with Simon Jones off the field with an
ankle
> > > > injury.
> > > >
> > > > However, the new ball gave England renewed hope and Katich
could
> have
> > > > been run out by Flintoff as he set off for a suicidal run,
but the
> > > > bowler missed the stumps with Katich out of his ground.
> > > >
> > > > Gilchrist had signalled his intent with two boundaries in nine
> minutes
> > > > before lunch, but England had his measure once again.
> > > >
> > > > Katich (59) then passed his half-century off 160 balls as he
> continued
> > > > to take the fight to the hosts but was out soon after in one
of the
> > > > more unsatisfactory moments of the match - umpire Aleem Dar
> giving him
> > > > out lbw despite the ball from Steve Harmison pitching outside
leg
> > > > stump and hitting him above the roll.
> > > >
> > > > It was an important wicket for the toiling bowlers with the
Aussies
> > > > starting to build their lead.
> > > >
> > > > Warne came to the crease on a pair but he played with his
usual
> > > > abandon, hitting five fours and two sixes in his innings of 45
> from 42
> > > > balls before he went for one hit too many off Ashley Giles,
Jones
> > > > doing the stumping.
> > > >
> > > > Kasprowicz frustrated England in a partnership of 31 with Lee
before
> > > > he nicked Harmison to Jones, and Shaun Tait left Lee, who had
been
> > > > dropped by the gloveman on nought, stranded on 26 not out when
> he left
> > > > his stumps exposed for Harmison to clean him up.
> > > >
> > > > So England were set 129 for victory, one they surely deserved.
> And now
> > > > to the Brit Oval a week on Thursday with just a draw needed to
> regain
> > > > the Ashes.
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > OK OK
> > > >
> > > > cricket? whats that but we aint come close to winning the
ashes
> since
> > > > we last won them and before this series hadnt beaten the
ausys in a
> > > > test for over 15 years or somthing like that.

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:03:35 -0000
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Management games?

Game graphics as main reason, but you also have a lot more in hands
like organizing reserves and youth teams. Preseason trips, parties or
dinner for the morale and so on.

And best is that you can create your own team, which starts than in
the English Second regional division or something, like 8th level :p

Once you are tired of it, you can also sell it and get a contract as
manager elsewhere.

Also the stadiums are so real.
I played during a WC at San Siro and in the league at Anfield (yes
guys, Liverpool will play in the Championship in 2017 ;) ).
Anfield was so amazing!

As the new TCM 2006 is about to come in a month or two I decided to
sell my team and got 6.5 million euro for it.
One of the offers I got was from Millwall, so I signed there.

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
<n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> why not?
>
> nick
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > Football manager sucks big time.
> > championship manager was great but its indeed not as good as TCM.
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > football manager (aka cm) is the god of all management games. u
have
> > > sinned u deluded one :))
> > >
> > > nick
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > TCM rules now! It doesn't get more real than that. But there
must
> > be
> > > > other acceptable ones out there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > You missed out Premier Manager!!! That was awesome in its
first
> > 2
> > > > > versions........went down hill from Premier Manager 3
onwards
> > (Was
> > > > > more popular than CM back then!). Kickoff wasn't really
> > management
> > > > > either. All playing from what i remember
> > > > >
> > > > > Nick
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Oh yes, if I remember well, it started like this:
> > > > > > - Kickoff
> > > > > > - Sensible World of Soccer
> > > > > > - Championship Manager
> > > > > > - Football Manager
> > > > > > - Total Club Manager
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With of course several versions of all those and a few
other
> > > football
> > > > > > games who were less good.
> > > > > > Football manager sucks though, while I never played any
FIFA
> > > games on
> > > > > > PS. TCM is what I currently use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Everybody does!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com,
marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I am curious
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyone playing football management games like
> > Championship
> > > > > > Manager,
> > > > > > > > Football Manager, LMA Manager, Total Club Manager and
so
> > on?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > :))

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:04:03 -0000
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PSV's Lee leaves for London

fair enough :)

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
<n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> whos to say we didnt fool him into what our top 5 earners earn :P
>
> nick
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > According to the Korean media, Lee Young-pyo has agreed a four
year
> > deal with Tottenham Hotspur and will sign for the Premier League
club
> > on Tuesday.
> >
> > The terms of the deal have yet to be released but the 28 year-
old's
> > agent did say that the versatile international will be among the
top
> > five earners at White Hart Lane.
> >
> > Lee could make his debut against Liverpool on September 10.
> >
> > The former Anyang Cheetahs star joined PSV Eindhoven in January
2003
> > and now will become the second South Korean to play in the
Premier
> > League, facing Park Ji-sung in Manchester on October 22.
> >
> > *****************************
> >
> > Lee a top 5 earners at Spurs??
> > He fooled you guys :p

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:06:20 -0000
From: "jer_vanlint" <jer_vanlint@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A man who helped three women was then forced at gunpoint to......

South Africa?
They have aids..

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
<n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> Johannesburg: The hunt is on for three women who ambushed a
> 30-year-old man and forced him to have sex with them at gunpoint.
>
> According to police spokeswoman Paula Nothnagel, a case of indecent
> assault had been opened and identity kits would be released soon.
The
> man cannot be named because of the nature of the offence.
>
> Nothnagel said that on Saturday night the man was walking through
> Roodepoort when the women pulled up next to him in their maroon BMW.
>
> They asked him for directions to the Savoy Hotel and he got into the
> car to show them the way.
>
> At the hotel the women persuaded him to join them for a drink,
before
> asking him for directions to yet another hotel.
>
> While on the road to the Station Hotel the women suddenly changed
> direction and drove to a dark and empty field near the Durban Deep
mine.
>
> "One woman produced a firearm and held the man at gunpoint,"
Nothnagel
> said.
>
> "The women got undressed and all three took turns to have
intercourse
> with him."
>
> The man was then ordered back into the car and dropped off along
Main
> Reef Road.
>
> Nothnagel said the man then went home before opening a case at the
> local police station. The West Rand Family Violence, Child
Protection
> and Sexual Offences Unit is investigating. They suspect the women
were
> all aged between 20 and 30.
>
======================================================================
>
> lol was he gay or were they just that ugly? lol
>
> nick

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:21:05 -0000
From: marta_grimsdottir
Subject: Re: Management games?

All these games have their players. My advice to you, get the 2006
edition of TCM and then see for yourself. And the operative word is
get, not buy. :)))

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
<n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> well whatever makes u happy. what made cm/fm so popular was its actual
> management and not meaningless features like how a stadium looks and a
> 3d engine. Fm/Cm are the most realistic management games. u can start
> from the small leagues in it too.
>
> nick
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > The 3D engine is the best. You see players and not balls posing as
> > players. You see the stadiums with all their distinctive features. you
> > get to manage all aspects of the club and you are not restricted to a
> > budget, but that also calls for more responsable management. And you
> > can create your own team and start from the regional amateur leagues
> > and fight your way to the Premiership....if you can :)))
> >
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > why not?
> > >
> > > nick
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > Football manager sucks big time.
> > > > championship manager was great but its indeed not as good as TCM.
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > football manager (aka cm) is the god of all management games.
> u have
> > > > > sinned u deluded one :))
> > > > >
> > > > > nick
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > TCM rules now! It doesn't get more real than that. But there
> must
> > > > be
> > > > > > other acceptable ones out there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > You missed out Premier Manager!!! That was awesome in its
> first
> > > > 2
> > > > > > > versions........went down hill from Premier Manager 3
onwards
> > > > (Was
> > > > > > > more popular than CM back then!). Kickoff wasn't really
> > > > management
> > > > > > > either. All playing from what i remember
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Oh yes, if I remember well, it started like this:
> > > > > > > > - Kickoff
> > > > > > > > - Sensible World of Soccer
> > > > > > > > - Championship Manager
> > > > > > > > - Football Manager
> > > > > > > > - Total Club Manager
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With of course several versions of all those and a few
other
> > > > > football
> > > > > > > > games who were less good.
> > > > > > > > Football manager sucks though, while I never played
any FIFA
> > > > > games on
> > > > > > > > PS. TCM is what I currently use.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > > > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Everybody does!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com,
marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I am curious
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Anyone playing football management games like
> > > > Championship
> > > > > > > > Manager,
> > > > > > > > > > Football Manager, LMA Manager, Total Club Manager
> and so
> > > > on?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > :))

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:21:38 -0000
From: marta_grimsdottir
Subject: Re: The WSC god has aged again.....

Time to bring it on then :)))

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok" <Eddcases@y...>
wrote:
> No ;) but im sure Nick can
>
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > That is very funny! Can you make such jokes about Villa too? :))
> >
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok" <Eddcases@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > So that makes 2 in total!
> > >
> > > get some mates round and the ground will be full ;-)
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > Stoke just got another fan then. :)))
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > It's always sad to see a team leaving his own stadium which is
> full
> > > > > of history. Just like with Bayern Munchen.
> > > > > Bayern's stadium was very ugly in my opinion, but it was their
> > > > > stadium :)
> > > > >
> > > > > No, I don't think I will go to Arsenal this season.
> > > > >
> > > > > I became a Stoke fan thanks to their new Dutch/Belgian manager
> and
> > > > > few Belgian players ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > u planning to go this season then? highbury will be no more
> after
> > > > > this
> > > > > > season :))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > nick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Yep, congratulations.
> > > > > > > Good to hear you got wiser.
> > > > > > > We could even go to Highbury together someday ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > CONGRATS!!!!! I was 22 in 1988 :))
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Yes the rumours are true people. I am a year older today
> > and
> > > > > i am
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > grand old age of 22. A year older and a year
> > wiser......yeah
> > > > > > > bollocks
> > > > > > > > > to that! Lol! Will be getting very pissed tonight :D
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nick

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:22:24 -0000
From: marta_grimsdottir
Subject: Re: The WSC god has aged again.....

You really were? How can you be so subtle? :)))

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok" <Eddcases@y...>
wrote:
> I know I was taking the piss again ;-)
>
> I rekon a play off spot come may would mean a very good season and
> hopfuly you can sneak up there
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > We are at the Championship!!!!
> >
> > 5th place would aready by nice for now.
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok" <Eddcases@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Midlands team, good man! :-) I wanna see them go up this season
> > >
> > > Do you think they will make it out of the conferance ;-)
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > It's always sad to see a team leaving his own stadium which is
full
> > > > of history. Just like with Bayern Munchen.
> > > > Bayern's stadium was very ugly in my opinion, but it was their
> > > > stadium :)
> > > >
> > > > No, I don't think I will go to Arsenal this season.
> > > >
> > > > I became a Stoke fan thanks to their new Dutch/Belgian manager
and
> > > > few Belgian players ;)
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > u planning to go this season then? highbury will be no more
after
> > > > this
> > > > > season :))
> > > > >
> > > > > nick
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Yep, congratulations.
> > > > > > Good to hear you got wiser.
> > > > > > We could even go to Highbury together someday ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > CONGRATS!!!!! I was 22 in 1988 :))
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Yes the rumours are true people. I am a year older today
> and
> > > > i am
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > grand old age of 22. A year older and a year
> wiser......yeah
> > > > > > bollocks
> > > > > > > > to that! Lol! Will be getting very pissed tonight :D
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nick

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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:26:56 -0000
From: marta_grimsdottir
Subject: Re: France fall away

Same as in Summer. Go out, party, swim, sauna, travel... :)

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
<manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
>
> Even in winter? what do you do for fun in winter?
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > Iceland is great any time of year
> >
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > Is Iceland nice this time of the year?
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > Iceland dropped 2 spots!!!! I don't like this ranking no
more!!! :((
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Two CONCACAF teams in top 6 LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > With only 24 `A' international matches having been played
in the
> > > last
> > > > > > four weeks, there are few major changes in August's FIFA
World
> > > > > > Ranking. Brazil, Argentina, the Netherlands, the Czech
> Republic,
> > > > > > Mexico and Gold Cup winners the USA continue to occupy the top
> > six
> > > > > > positions, but England (7th, up 1) overtake Spain (8th, no
> > change).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Due to a devaluation of past results, the French (9th,
down 2)
> > > > > > continue to lose ground and they are now in their lowest
> position
> > > > > > since winning the World Cup in 1998.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This month's major movers are to be found lower down the
> ranking,
> > > > > > with Cosafa Cup winners Zimbabwe (51st, up 2) and defeated
> > > finalists
> > > > > > Zambia (56th, up 6) narrowly missing out on joining the
top 50.
> > > Qatar
> > > > > > (68th, up 7) and Gold Cup finalists Panama (77th, up 6) also
> > climb
> > > > > > more than five places. Panama, defeated by the USA only on
> > > penalties
> > > > > > in the final of the Gold Cup, currently sit in their highest
> ever
> > > > > > position in the FIFA World Ranking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Given the lack of movement in the upper echelons of the
> > ranking, it
> > > > > > is hardly surprising that there is no change to the regional
> > > > > > composition of the top 50. With 26 representatives, UEFA still
> > > boasts
> > > > > > more than half of the top 50, with the remaining teams coming
> > from
> > > > > > CAF (8), CONMEBOL (6), CONCACAF (5) and AFC (5).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Brazil......................837...0
> > > > > > 2. Argentina...................782...0
> > > > > > 3. Netherlands.................780...0
> > > > > > 4. Czech Republic..............777...0
> > > > > > 5. Mexico......................770...0
> > > > > > 6. USA.........................768...0
> > > > > > 7. England.....................743...+1
> > > > > > 8. Spain.......................739...0
> > > > > > 9. France......................737...-2
> > > > > > 9. Portugal....................737...+1
> > > > > > 11.Germany.....................722...0
> > > > > > 12.Turkey......................712...0
> > > > > > 13.Italy.......................711...+1
> > > > > > 14.Republic of Ireland.........709...+1
> > > > > > 15.Iran........................708...0
> > > > > > 15.Sweden......................708...+2
> > > > > > 17.Japan.......................706...-4
> > > > > > 18.Greece......................696...+1
> > > > > > 18.Denmark.....................696...+1
> > > > > > 20.Croatia.....................693...+2
> > > > > > Some others:
> > > > > > 23.Korea Republic..............681...-2
> > > > > > 25.Uruguay.....................675...-7
> > > > > > 52.Belgium.....................585...-2
> > > > > > 53.Trinidad and Tobago.........574...+5
> > > > > > 56.Zambia......................569...+6
> > > > > > 57.Australia...................568...+3
> > > > > > 57.Iraq........................568...-5
> > > > > > 62.Uzbekistan..................561...-9
> > > > > > 63.Jordan......................560...-6
> > > > > > 68.Oman........................549...-4
> > > > > > 68.Qatar.......................549...+7
> > > > > > 71.Angola......................546...-3
> > > > > > 77.Panama......................540...+6
> > > > > > 83.Wales.......................517...-3
> > > > > > 94.Iceland.....................486...-2
> > > > > > 97.Indonesia...................478...-5
> > > > > > 105.Cyprus.....................443...+4
> > > > > > 116.Northern Ireland...........410...-4
> > > > > > 130.Mozambique.................352...+4
> > > > > > 134.Andorra....................346...+1
> > > > > > 137.Fiji.......................338...+4
> > > > > > 162.Sierra Leone...............218...-6
> > > > > > 180.Mongolia...................141...+3
> > > > > > 183.Central African Republic...140...-3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The French are finaly loosing some spots :)

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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0000
From: marta_grimsdottir
Subject: Re: Match Preview - Norwich City

Stoke City 3 Norwich City 1

City rounded off a tough Bank Holiday weekend with a superb victory
over promotion favourites Norwich City at the Britannia Stadium.

Martin Kolar, Kevin Harper and Mamady Sidibe all grabbed their first
goals for the club as the Potters clinched an impressive win over
Nigel Worthington's men.

Former Crewe man Dean Ashton hauled the Canaries level, but it proved
to be scant consolation as the visitors struggled after Darren
Huckerby saw red early in the second-half.

Czech star Kolar started the rout with barely ten minutes played,
reacting quickest to a rebound after Sidibe was foiled at point-blank
range by Norwich 'keeper Robert Green.

Sidibe and Kolar then both had headers saved by England man Green,
before Ashton clinically levelled matters on thirty-six minutes when
he fired Jim Brennan's low sweeping cross past a helpless Steve
Simonsen from six yards.

But the home side battled back and restored their advantage on the
stroke of half-time as Norwich loanee Harper wrong-footed Green with a
fine curling effort.

The visitors task was made all the harder six minutes after the break,
when Huckerby saw red for foul and abusive language following a tackle
from Marlon Broomes.

And the Norfolk side's night went from bad to worse on sixty-eight
minutes, when Sidibe crashed home a loose ball following a Dave
Brammer corner to complete a memorable victory.

City: Simonsen, Hoefkens, Duberry (c), Broomes, Buxton, Brammer,
Harper (Gallagher 78), Chadwick, Kolar, Junior (Henry 61), Sidibe.
Subs: De Goey, Dyer, Taggart

Norwich: Green, Shackell, Fleming, Colin, Charlton, Marney, Safri,
Brennan, Huckerby, Ashton, McKenzie (McVeigh 60). Subs: Drury,
Jarrett, Ward, Doherty
_________________
7th place. :)))

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:03:40 -0000
From: "Nick Morris" <n_i_c_k_17@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: HOGGARD THE HERO AS ENGLAND WIN

why not? its an excuse to get pissed for 5 days straight ;)

nick

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
<jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> Sorry guys, but I don't think that anyone on mainland Europe ever
> watched a Cricket game :p
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > yep catches win matches and pietersen, strauss and the wicket keeper
> > have been big culprits for dropped catches. we wouldnt have won the
> > first one, but we would have won the next 3 easily.
> >
> > nick
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok"
> <Eddcases@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > yep, needed a oaultry 129 to win and lose 7 wickets! should have
> won
> > > convincingly like in the 2nd test but nearly fucked that up! and
> if it
> > > wasnt but for 1 wicket in the 3rd we would already have the ashes!
> > > Mind you if are wicket keeper new how to keep wicket and catch the
> > > ball, we probably could have won all 4
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > yeah a good win. typical england made a meal of getting 129,
> but we
> > > > did it in the end. now only need a draw at the oval and we got
> the
> > > > series. u can shove that up ur arse u convicts!
> > > >
> > > > nick
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Peacok"
> <Eddcases@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > England 477 (A Flintoff 102, G O Jones 85, M E Trescothick
> 65, M P
> > > > > Vaughan 58, S K Warne 4-102) & 129-7 (S K Warne 4-31) v
> > Australia 218
> > > > > (S P Jones 5-44) & 387 (J L Langer 61, S M Katich 59, M J
> Clarke 56)
> > > > > England beat Australia by 3 wkts
> > > > >
> > > > > If the ending to the previous Tests at Edgbaston and Old
> > Trafford were
> > > > > tense almost beyond belief, there was something of the
> surreal about
> > > > > England's three wicket victory here at Trent Bridge.
> > > > >
> > > > > Set just 129 to win the fourth Test, England stuttered and
> > stumbled to
> > > > > their target after Shane Warne and Brett Lee had given
> Australia
> > hope
> > > > > when all seemed lost.
> > > > >
> > > > > But ultimately it was Matthew Hoggard and Ashley Giles the
> > batsmen who
> > > > > carried England to victory, meaning they take a 2-1 lead to
> the
> > final
> > > > > Test at The Oval in 11 days' time needing only a draw to win
> the
> > Ashes
> > > > > that were lost here in 1989.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you rolled the Tests at Edgbaston and Old Trafford into
> one you
> > > > > still wouldn't get the drama and tension created at the end
> of this
> > > > > fourth day in Nottingham.
> > > > >
> > > > > The England bowlers strained every sinew to chip away at the
> > > > > Australian batting line-up and they were finally dismissed by
> > tea-time
> > > > > for 387 having resumed on 222-4.
> > > > >
> > > > > At the end Hoggard cracked six off one over of Lee's before
> Giles
> > > > > nudged it for two off Warne to give England the win.
> > > > >
> > > > > No-one thought it would be easy but when Warne broke through
> > with his
> > > > > first delivery it was clear England and their fans were set
> for an
> > > > > uncomfortable afternoon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Openers Marcus Trescothick and Andrew Strauss put on 32 with
> few
> > > > > alarms but the introduction of Warne after just five overs
> almost
> > > > > changed the game and the very destination of the Ashes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Trescothick hit four fours in a 22-ball 27, but fell to
> Warne's
> > first
> > > > > ball, reaching forward and bat-padding the ball to Ricky
> > Ponting, who
> > > > > held on to a superb low catch.
> > > > >
> > > > > England added just another four runs before skipper Michael
> Vaughan
> > > > > became Warne's next victim, a leading edge pouched by Matthew
> Hayden
> > > > > at first slip.
> > > > >
> > > > > A 21-run stand between Ian Bell and Strauss ended when the
> Middlesex
> > > > > left-hander glanced a Warne delivery to Michael Clarke at leg
> slip,
> > > > > the third umpire agreeing that the Australian did indeed
> scoop the
> > > > > ball up before it hit the ground.
> > > > >
> > > > > Australia had the sniff of a remarkable victory moments later
> > without
> > > > > another run added, as Bell was tempted into a hook shot off
> Lee's
> > > > > bouncer and Michael Kasprowicz held on at fine leg to reduce
> the
> > hosts
> > > > > to 57-4.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin Pietersen and Andrew Flintoff put on 46 together to get
> > England
> > > > > to within touching distance of victory, but there was more
> drama to
> > > > come.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee was reintroduced with just 26 needed for victory he
> immediately
> > > > > tempted Pietersen into a loose drive, Adam Gilchrist holding
> a fine
> > > > > tumbling catch.
> > > > >
> > > > > Flintoff and Geraint Jones put on a further eight together
> > before Lee
> > > > > produced a superb inswinging delivery that clipped the top of
> > > > > Flintoff's off stump.
> > > > >
> > > > > With 13 still to get Jones was tempted down the pitch by
> Warne and
> > > > > miscued an attempt to hit over the top, Kasprowicz calmly
> taking the
> > > > > catch at deep cover.
> > > > >
> > > > > That brought Matthew Hoggard to the wicket and the Yorkshire
> seamer
> > > > > was the coolest man in Nottingham. He carved out an unbeaten -
> and
> > > > > chanceless eight - and left it up to Giles to win the match
> with
> > an on
> > > > > drive off Warne.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hoggard had earlier got the important breakthrough just
> before lunch
> > > > > and again in his second over after the interval as Australia
> > began to
> > > > > lose wickets as they endeavoured to set England a testing
> target.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Yorkshire seamer induced an edge from Michael Clarke (56)
> 10
> > > > > minutes before lunch to boost England's morale after a
> difficult
> > > > > morning session as Australia went in at 270-5.
> > > > >
> > > > > And with just seven runs added to the score, dangerman Adam
> > Gilchrist
> > > > > played round a straight ball and was trapped in front by a
> ball that
> > > > > pitched on leg stump and went straight on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clarke had edged Giles past Trescothick on the way to a
> patient
> > > > > half-century with Simon Katich remaining steadfast at the
> other end.
> > > > >
> > > > > But Clarke, who had not been tempted to attack England's
> defensive
> > > > > strategy throughout the morning, finally followed an
> outswinger
> > having
> > > > > reached 56 and Jones gleefully snapped up the chance.
> > > > >
> > > > > England had been frustrated in the absence of much movement
> with the
> > > > > old ball, particularly with Simon Jones off the field with an
> ankle
> > > > > injury.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, the new ball gave England renewed hope and Katich
> could
> > have
> > > > > been run out by Flintoff as he set off for a suicidal run,
> but the
> > > > > bowler missed the stumps with Katich out of his ground.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gilchrist had signalled his intent with two boundaries in nine
> > minutes
> > > > > before lunch, but England had his measure once again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Katich (59) then passed his half-century off 160 balls as he
> > continued
> > > > > to take the fight to the hosts but was out soon after in one
> of the
> > > > > more unsatisfactory moments of the match - umpire Aleem Dar
> > giving him
> > > > > out lbw despite the ball from Steve Harmison pitching outside
> leg
> > > > > stump and hitting him above the roll.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was an important wicket for the toiling bowlers with the
> Aussies
> > > > > starting to build their lead.
> > > > >
> > > > > Warne came to the crease on a pair but he played with his
> usual
> > > > > abandon, hitting five fours and two sixes in his innings of 45
> > from 42
> > > > > balls before he went for one hit too many off Ashley Giles,
> Jones
> > > > > doing the stumping.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kasprowicz frustrated England in a partnership of 31 with Lee
> before
> > > > > he nicked Harmison to Jones, and Shaun Tait left Lee, who had
> been
> > > > > dropped by the gloveman on nought, stranded on 26 not out when
> > he left
> > > > > his stumps exposed for Harmison to clean him up.
> > > > >
> > > > > So England were set 129 for victory, one they surely deserved.
> > And now
> > > > > to the Brit Oval a week on Thursday with just a draw needed to
> > regain
> > > > > the Ashes.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > OK OK
> > > > >
> > > > > cricket? whats that but we aint come close to winning the
> ashes
> > since
> > > > > we last won them and before this series hadnt beaten the
> ausys in a
> > > > > test for over 15 years or somthing like that.

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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:06:29 -0000
From: "Nick Morris" <n_i_c_k_17@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Management games?

i play the game for the tactics and pressure of management. not to be
a pansy that chooses what colour wallpaper to have in the boardroom. i
personally dont care for graphics or what stadium i play in or how
much i spend on the players dinner. i want the excitement of
management. if i wanted to see stadiums, i would buy a game i play all
the time like fifa or pro evo.

nick

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
<jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> Game graphics as main reason, but you also have a lot more in hands
> like organizing reserves and youth teams. Preseason trips, parties or
> dinner for the morale and so on.
>
> And best is that you can create your own team, which starts than in
> the English Second regional division or something, like 8th level :p
>
> Once you are tired of it, you can also sell it and get a contract as
> manager elsewhere.
>
> Also the stadiums are so real.
> I played during a WC at San Siro and in the league at Anfield (yes
> guys, Liverpool will play in the Championship in 2017 ;) ).
> Anfield was so amazing!
>
> As the new TCM 2006 is about to come in a month or two I decided to
> sell my team and got 6.5 million euro for it.
> One of the offers I got was from Millwall, so I signed there.
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > why not?
> >
> > nick
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > Football manager sucks big time.
> > > championship manager was great but its indeed not as good as TCM.
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > football manager (aka cm) is the god of all management games. u
> have
> > > > sinned u deluded one :))
> > > >
> > > > nick
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > TCM rules now! It doesn't get more real than that. But there
> must
> > > be
> > > > > other acceptable ones out there.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > You missed out Premier Manager!!! That was awesome in its
> first
> > > 2
> > > > > > versions........went down hill from Premier Manager 3
> onwards
> > > (Was
> > > > > > more popular than CM back then!). Kickoff wasn't really
> > > management
> > > > > > either. All playing from what i remember
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Oh yes, if I remember well, it started like this:
> > > > > > > - Kickoff
> > > > > > > - Sensible World of Soccer
> > > > > > > - Championship Manager
> > > > > > > - Football Manager
> > > > > > > - Total Club Manager
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With of course several versions of all those and a few
> other
> > > > football
> > > > > > > games who were less good.
> > > > > > > Football manager sucks though, while I never played any
> FIFA
> > > > games on
> > > > > > > PS. TCM is what I currently use.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Everybody does!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com,
> marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I am curious
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anyone playing football management games like
> > > Championship
> > > > > > > Manager,
> > > > > > > > > Football Manager, LMA Manager, Total Club Manager and
> so
> > > on?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > :))

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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:07:35 -0000
From: "Nick Morris" <n_i_c_k_17@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Management games?

give me a link to download then :P

nick

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> All these games have their players. My advice to you, get the 2006
> edition of TCM and then see for yourself. And the operative word is
> get, not buy. :)))
>
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > well whatever makes u happy. what made cm/fm so popular was its actual
> > management and not meaningless features like how a stadium looks and a
> > 3d engine. Fm/Cm are the most realistic management games. u can start
> > from the small leagues in it too.
> >
> > nick
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > The 3D engine is the best. You see players and not balls posing as
> > > players. You see the stadiums with all their distinctive
features. you
> > > get to manage all aspects of the club and you are not restricted
to a
> > > budget, but that also calls for more responsable management. And you
> > > can create your own team and start from the regional amateur leagues
> > > and fight your way to the Premiership....if you can :)))
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > why not?
> > > >
> > > > nick
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Football manager sucks big time.
> > > > > championship manager was great but its indeed not as good as
TCM.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > football manager (aka cm) is the god of all management games.
> > u have
> > > > > > sinned u deluded one :))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > nick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > TCM rules now! It doesn't get more real than that. But there
> > must
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > other acceptable ones out there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > You missed out Premier Manager!!! That was awesome in its
> > first
> > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > versions........went down hill from Premier Manager 3
> onwards
> > > > > (Was
> > > > > > > > more popular than CM back then!). Kickoff wasn't really
> > > > > management
> > > > > > > > either. All playing from what i remember
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nick
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > > > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Oh yes, if I remember well, it started like this:
> > > > > > > > > - Kickoff
> > > > > > > > > - Sensible World of Soccer
> > > > > > > > > - Championship Manager
> > > > > > > > > - Football Manager
> > > > > > > > > - Total Club Manager
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With of course several versions of all those and a few
> other
> > > > > > football
> > > > > > > > > games who were less good.
> > > > > > > > > Football manager sucks though, while I never played
> any FIFA
> > > > > > games on
> > > > > > > > > PS. TCM is what I currently use.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > > > > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Everybody does!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com,
> marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I am curious
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Anyone playing football management games like
> > > > > Championship
> > > > > > > > > Manager,
> > > > > > > > > > > Football Manager, LMA Manager, Total Club Manager
> > and so
> > > > > on?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > :))

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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:17:57 -0000
From: marta_grimsdottir
Subject: Re: Management games?

But TCM gives you more things to manage than what you have available
at FM. that's another trait they have. :))

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
<n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> i play the game for the tactics and pressure of management. not to be
> a pansy that chooses what colour wallpaper to have in the boardroom. i
> personally dont care for graphics or what stadium i play in or how
> much i spend on the players dinner. i want the excitement of
> management. if i wanted to see stadiums, i would buy a game i play all
> the time like fifa or pro evo.
>
> nick
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > Game graphics as main reason, but you also have a lot more in hands
> > like organizing reserves and youth teams. Preseason trips, parties or
> > dinner for the morale and so on.
> >
> > And best is that you can create your own team, which starts than in
> > the English Second regional division or something, like 8th level :p
> >
> > Once you are tired of it, you can also sell it and get a contract as
> > manager elsewhere.
> >
> > Also the stadiums are so real.
> > I played during a WC at San Siro and in the league at Anfield (yes
> > guys, Liverpool will play in the Championship in 2017 ;) ).
> > Anfield was so amazing!
> >
> > As the new TCM 2006 is about to come in a month or two I decided to
> > sell my team and got 6.5 million euro for it.
> > One of the offers I got was from Millwall, so I signed there.
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > why not?
> > >
> > > nick
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > Football manager sucks big time.
> > > > championship manager was great but its indeed not as good as TCM.
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > football manager (aka cm) is the god of all management games. u
> > have
> > > > > sinned u deluded one :))
> > > > >
> > > > > nick
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > TCM rules now! It doesn't get more real than that. But there
> > must
> > > > be
> > > > > > other acceptable ones out there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > You missed out Premier Manager!!! That was awesome in its
> > first
> > > > 2
> > > > > > > versions........went down hill from Premier Manager 3
> > onwards
> > > > (Was
> > > > > > > more popular than CM back then!). Kickoff wasn't really
> > > > management
> > > > > > > either. All playing from what i remember
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Oh yes, if I remember well, it started like this:
> > > > > > > > - Kickoff
> > > > > > > > - Sensible World of Soccer
> > > > > > > > - Championship Manager
> > > > > > > > - Football Manager
> > > > > > > > - Total Club Manager
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With of course several versions of all those and a few
> > other
> > > > > football
> > > > > > > > games who were less good.
> > > > > > > > Football manager sucks though, while I never played any
> > FIFA
> > > > > games on
> > > > > > > > PS. TCM is what I currently use.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > > > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Everybody does!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com,
> > marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I am curious
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Anyone playing football management games like
> > > > Championship
> > > > > > > > Manager,
> > > > > > > > > > Football Manager, LMA Manager, Total Club Manager and
> > so
> > > > on?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > :))

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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:18:52 -0000
From: marta_grimsdottir
Subject: Re: Management games?

It must be released first. :))

--- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
<n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> give me a link to download then :P
>
> nick
>
> --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > All these games have their players. My advice to you, get the 2006
> > edition of TCM and then see for yourself. And the operative word is
> > get, not buy. :)))
> >
> >
> > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > well whatever makes u happy. what made cm/fm so popular was its
actual
> > > management and not meaningless features like how a stadium looks
and a
> > > 3d engine. Fm/Cm are the most realistic management games. u can
start
> > > from the small leagues in it too.
> > >
> > > nick
> > >
> > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > The 3D engine is the best. You see players and not balls posing as
> > > > players. You see the stadiums with all their distinctive
> features. you
> > > > get to manage all aspects of the club and you are not restricted
> to a
> > > > budget, but that also calls for more responsable management.
And you
> > > > can create your own team and start from the regional amateur
leagues
> > > > and fight your way to the Premiership....if you can :)))
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > why not?
> > > > >
> > > > > nick
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Football manager sucks big time.
> > > > > > championship manager was great but its indeed not as good as
> TCM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > football manager (aka cm) is the god of all management
games.
> > > u have
> > > > > > > sinned u deluded one :))
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > nick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > TCM rules now! It doesn't get more real than that. But
there
> > > must
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > other acceptable ones out there.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Morris"
> > > > > > > > <n_i_c_k_17@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > You missed out Premier Manager!!! That was awesome
in its
> > > first
> > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > > versions........went down hill from Premier Manager 3
> > onwards
> > > > > > (Was
> > > > > > > > > more popular than CM back then!). Kickoff wasn't really
> > > > > > management
> > > > > > > > > either. All playing from what i remember
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nick
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "jer_vanlint"
> > > > > > > > > <jer_vanlint@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Oh yes, if I remember well, it started like this:
> > > > > > > > > > - Kickoff
> > > > > > > > > > - Sensible World of Soccer
> > > > > > > > > > - Championship Manager
> > > > > > > > > > - Football Manager
> > > > > > > > > > - Total Club Manager
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > With of course several versions of all those and a few
> > other
> > > > > > > football
> > > > > > > > > > games who were less good.
> > > > > > > > > > Football manager sucks though, while I never played
> > any FIFA
> > > > > > > games on
> > > > > > > > > > PS. TCM is what I currently use.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com, "Manuel"
> > > > > > > > > > <manuelgon_1999@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Everybody does!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In worldsoccerclub2@yahoogroups.com,
> > marta_grimsdottir
> > > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone playing football management games like
> > > > > > Championship
> > > > > > > > > > Manager,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Football Manager, LMA Manager, Total Club Manager
> > > and so
> > > > > > on?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > :))

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