Friday, August 19, 2005

[inter-mania] Digest Number 1509

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose him??
From: "Raymond Adry" <Raymond.Adry@vico.co.id>
2. RE: ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose him??
From: "Dedy" <dedy@tungmung.co.id>
3. Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: "El ChInO mAgNiFiCiEnTo" <el_chino@telkom.net>
4. Re: Samuel With Inter Official Shirt
From: "ronnie" <rofiqlcm@aei.co.id>
5. Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: dyan wuriantoro <yayan_stan_98@yahoo.com>
6. RE: Samuel With Inter Official Shirt
From: "Dedy" <dedy@tungmung.co.id>
7. RE: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: "Dedy" <dedy@tungmung.co.id>
8. Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: sagie alone <sagie1id@yahoo.com>
9. RE: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: ":: ij�� ::" <ijoenisti@yahoo.com>
10. baru 12 orang oii curva nord indonesia neh
From: dyan wuriantoro <yayan_stan_98@yahoo.com>
11. Poll results for inter-mania
From: inter-mania
12. Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: "El ChInO mAgNiFiCiEnTo" <el_chino@telkom.net>
13. Re: Nonbar Super Coppa @ Inter Club Indonesia HO
From: Drury Lumenta <my.yudis@gmail.com>
14. Re: ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose him??
From: Drury Lumenta <my.yudis@gmail.com>
15. Re: Poll results for inter-mania
From: Drury Lumenta <my.yudis@gmail.com>
16. Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: Drury Lumenta <my.yudis@gmail.com>
17. Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: n Justice 4 all <kabulku@yahoo.com>
18. Re: ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose him??
From: "virqy" <khebot_8@yahoo.com>
19. Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: "virqy" <khebot_8@yahoo.com>
20. Re: Poll results for inter-mania
From: "D.O.C 107" <darwinternazionale@gmail.com>
21. Re: Re: ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose him??
From: "D.O.C 107" <darwinternazionale@gmail.com>
22. Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: "D.O.C 107" <darwinternazionale@gmail.com>
23. RE: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: "Raymond Adry" <Raymond.Adry@vico.co.id>
24. Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
From: Yuda Trijaya <yudatrj@gmail.com>
25. Client asked me to do something in 3 months but I can do it ...
From: Drury Lumenta <my.yudis@gmail.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:19:25 +0800
From: "Raymond Adry" <Raymond.Adry@vico.co.id>
Subject: RE: ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose him??

SD suka sama Ronaldo

SMP suka sama Recoba

SMA suka sama Adriado

Sekarang suka sama Istri .............

Hee..heeee

Yuseppe <you_shape@yahoo.com> wrote:

SD suka Ronaldo?

SMP suka Recoba?

Sekarang suka Adriano?

eh sekarangnya SMA atau Kuliah nih?

Salam hangat,

Sikasep

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From: Budi Irawan <mailto:boedy_eeraone@yahoo.com>

To: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 2005-08-19 Friday 13:04

Subject: Re: [inter-mania] ur most fav inter's striker,
and why u choose him??

Salam INTERisti !!!!!!!!!!!

Bravo INTERisti !!!!!!!!!!!!

Great INTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wah2 mba yeni bisa aza !!! Oya..... knalan dolo mba aku
Budi ney fans berat INTER sejak aku masi SD, tepatnya pas klas 5 SD
!!!!!!!!

K'lo dolo pas SD aku suka RONALDO sayang hengkang, k'lo
SMP aku suka RECOBA untungnya masi ada sampai sekarang, nah k;lo
sekarang aku suka banget ma
ADRIANO10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:40:26 +0700
From: "Dedy" <dedy@tungmung.co.id>
Subject: RE: ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose him??

dulu, g paling suka lihat gaya bobo 'vieri'. hebat banget...
sekarang, Martins its great, and greater than vieri. tp semua pemain Inter
adalah pemain terbaik sejagat

INTERisTHEbestCLUBever

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From: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com [mailto:inter-mania@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Yuseppe
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:06 PM
To: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [inter-mania] ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose
him??

kalo gue sih dulu suka ama Ivan Zamorano !
sempet suka ama si penghianat (tonggos) tapi sekarang
jagoan gue si A10 !
pengen tau alasannya? yg pasti die pemain 1NTER !!!

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:10:23 +0700
From: "El ChInO mAgNiFiCiEnTo" <el_chino@telkom.net>
Subject: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

Salam hangat kepada seluruh interisti Indonesia
Kabar gembira wahai teman-teman Ajang Supercoppa disiarkan oleh Indosiar tepatnya pada pukul 02.00 dini hari pada tanggal 21 agustus 2005 alias pada malam minggu ini so jangan lupa dan jangan kemana-mana mendingan di rumah aja dan aktifkan hp anda because SMS-BAR akan kembali bergulir mulai minggu ini dan sebagai anggota tetap Acara SMS-BAR yang menjadi ciri khas interisti di milis inter-mania ini saya mau mengundang partisipasi teman-teman sekalain yang mau ikut bergabung bersama kami. Adapaun acara ini adalah acara saling mengirim sms diantara interisti yang membahas analisa pertandingan, kelemahan dan kelebihan tim sehingga bisa instropeksi diri juga dan ketika tim Intertmilan yang kita cintai ini mencetak gol maka kita merayakannya dengan saling miss call sesama interisti agar dapat tetap bangun dan menyaksikan pertandingan bersejarah ini.......
Diaharapkan agar dapat menggunakan Kartu IM3 agar terjadi keseragaman diantara kita semua tapi jika ada yang tidak punya juga jangan berkecil hati kok anda tetap boleh ikut bersama kami ....
Jika ingin info lebih lanjut dapat menghubungi
1. Anand di 0812-7121005 (setiap hari pada jam kerja 08.00-20.00) dan di 085664640705 (nomor sementara saya karena kartu IM3 saya yang lama lagi dalam perbaikan)
2. Aji Yudho di 08561070519
3. Agus di 08562278758
4. Kowoy di 08567892198
5. Nico di 0818888791
6. Raymond di 08125869661
7. Reza Sagita di 085669301998
8. Uka Saca di 081311154111
9. Ade Sutami di 081310684493
10. Gunawan di 08557899468
11. IAN di 08158762352

Apakah anda mau ikut makanya buruan daftar bisa melalui mail ini atau dengan langsung sms ke nomor saya aja yaitu Anand di 0812-7121005 tapi nomor ini tidak akan digunakan saat sms-Bar melainkan yang akan aktif yaitu 085664640705 so buruan daftar dan menjadi saksi dalam pertandingan bersejarah ini

Salam hangat dari Anggota SMS-BAR
Ciaoo
Anand

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:59:10 +0700
From: "ronnie" <rofiqlcm@aei.co.id>
Subject: Re: Samuel With Inter Official Shirt

ada yg bisa jelasin gak ...logo apa yang di sebelah kanan itu???????

kayak target olahraga panahan ...

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From: "Tinggogoy, Ronald: Mr." <ronald.tinggogoy@epcos.com>
To: "Inter (E-mail)" <inter-mania@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: [inter-mania] Samuel With Inter Official Shirt

>
>
> WALTER "THE WALL" SAMUEL
> TOGETHER, WE WILL BE STRONGER
>
>
>
> <<72295.jpg>> <<72296.jpg>>
> Untuk yang masih meragukan, nih lihat fotonya Walter Samuel.
> (Ini versi filenya)
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>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:25:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: dyan wuriantoro <yayan_stan_98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

eh IAN di 085691377553
thanks
Forzaa inter


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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:29:08 +0700
From: "Dedy" <dedy@tungmung.co.id>
Subject: RE: Samuel With Inter Official Shirt

itu kan lambang juara coppa, bung.
thn depan bakalan ditambah logo perisainya.
berdoa saja supaya itu menjadi kenyataan.

INTER FOREVER!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com [mailto:inter-mania@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of ronnie
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:59 PM
To: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [inter-mania] Samuel With Inter Official Shirt

ada yg bisa jelasin gak ...logo apa yang di sebelah kanan itu???????

kayak target olahraga panahan ...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tinggogoy, Ronald: Mr." <ronald.tinggogoy@epcos.com>
To: "Inter (E-mail)" <inter-mania@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: [inter-mania] Samuel With Inter Official Shirt

>
>
> WALTER "THE WALL" SAMUEL
> TOGETHER, WE WILL BE STRONGER
>
>
>
> <<72295.jpg>> <<72296.jpg>>
> Untuk yang masih meragukan, nih lihat fotonya Walter Samuel.
> (Ini versi filenya)
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:32:41 +0700
From: "Dedy" <dedy@tungmung.co.id>
Subject: RE: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

eh, g ikutan yah.
dedy(08561726693).

INTERisMYsoul

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From: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com [mailto:inter-mania@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of dyan wuriantoro
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:26 PM
To: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [inter-mania] Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

eh IAN di 085691377553
thanks
Forzaa inter


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: sagie alone <sagie1id@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

Gw daptar nih

081315640028 .........ajak2 yah teman.

El ChInO mAgNiFiCiEnTo <el_chino@telkom.net> wrote:
Salam hangat kepada seluruh interisti Indonesia
Kabar gembira wahai teman-teman Ajang Supercoppa disiarkan oleh Indosiar tepatnya pada pukul 02.00 dini hari pada tanggal 21 agustus 2005 alias pada malam minggu ini so jangan lupa dan jangan kemana-mana mendingan di rumah aja dan aktifkan hp anda because SMS-BAR akan kembali bergulir mulai minggu ini dan sebagai anggota tetap Acara SMS-BAR yang menjadi ciri khas interisti di milis inter-mania ini saya mau mengundang partisipasi teman-teman sekalain yang mau ikut bergabung bersama kami. Adapaun acara ini adalah acara saling mengirim sms diantara interisti yang membahas analisa pertandingan, kelemahan dan kelebihan tim sehingga bisa instropeksi diri juga dan ketika tim Intertmilan yang kita cintai ini mencetak gol maka kita merayakannya dengan saling miss call sesama interisti agar dapat tetap bangun dan menyaksikan pertandingan bersejarah ini.......
Diaharapkan agar dapat menggunakan Kartu IM3 agar terjadi keseragaman diantara kita semua tapi jika ada yang tidak punya juga jangan berkecil hati kok anda tetap boleh ikut bersama kami ....
Jika ingin info lebih lanjut dapat menghubungi
1. Anand di 0812-7121005 (setiap hari pada jam kerja 08.00-20.00) dan di 085664640705 (nomor sementara saya karena kartu IM3 saya yang lama lagi dalam perbaikan)
2. Aji Yudho di 08561070519
3. Agus di 08562278758
4. Kowoy di 08567892198
5. Nico di 0818888791
6. Raymond di 08125869661
7. Reza Sagita di 085669301998
8. Uka Saca di 081311154111
9. Ade Sutami di 081310684493
10. Gunawan di 08557899468
11. IAN di 08158762352

Apakah anda mau ikut makanya buruan daftar bisa melalui mail ini atau dengan langsung sms ke nomor saya aja yaitu Anand di 0812-7121005 tapi nomor ini tidak akan digunakan saat sms-Bar melainkan yang akan aktif yaitu 085664640705 so buruan daftar dan menjadi saksi dalam pertandingan bersejarah ini

Salam hangat dari Anggota SMS-BAR
Ciaoo
Anand

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:40:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: ":: ij�� ::" <ijoenisti@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

nimbrung ah
ijoe 085234022823

Dedy <dedy@tungmung.co.id> wrote:
eh, g ikutan yah.
dedy(08561726693).

INTERisMYsoul

-----Original Message-----
From: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com [mailto:inter-mania@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of dyan wuriantoro
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:26 PM
To: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [inter-mania] Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

eh IAN di 085691377553
thanks
Forzaa inter


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: dyan wuriantoro <yayan_stan_98@yahoo.com>
Subject: baru 12 orang oii curva nord indonesia neh

please joined with us "curva nord indonesia" di
sekalian tau muka2 interisti walopun gak pernah ketemu
ayo yang cewek2 gabung
ada gak ya yahoo grupsnya?
=====
vierinisti008@yahoo.com
thankss


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Message: 11
Date: 19 Aug 2005 11:59:51 -0000
From: inter-mania
Subject: Poll results for inter-mania

The following inter-mania poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:

POLL QUESTION: menurut teman2 siapa yang paling cocok
menggantikan posisi javier zanetti
sebagai kapten inter, apabila dia
pensiun nanti, atau saat dia absen?!
(pilihan boleh lebih dari satu)

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- fabio cannavaro, 3 votes, 7.14%
- francesco toldo, 2 votes, 4.76%
- crishtian vieri, 4 votes, 9.52%
- ivan cordoba, 4 votes, 9.52%
- cristiano zanetti, 2 votes, 4.76%
- dejan stankovic, 2 votes, 4.76%
- daniele adani , 1 votes, 2.38%
- ze maria, 1 votes, 2.38%
- cambiasso, 2 votes, 4.76%
- adriano, 3 votes, 7.14%
- emre, 1 votes, 2.38%
- lamouchi, 1 votes, 2.38%
- kily gonzales, 1 votes, 2.38%
- farinos, 1 votes, 2.38%
- davids, 2 votes, 4.76%
- veron, 1 votes, 2.38%
- vander meyde, 1 votes, 2.38%
- karagounis, 1 votes, 2.38%
- martins, 1 votes, 2.38%
- cruz, 1 votes, 2.38%
- ventola, 1 votes, 2.38%
- choutos lampros, 1 votes, 2.38%
- coco, 1 votes, 2.38%
- recoba, 3 votes, 7.14%
- burdisso, 1 votes, 2.38%

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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:51:49 +0700
From: "El ChInO mAgNiFiCiEnTo" <el_chino@telkom.net>
Subject: Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

ayo masih ada yang lain .... come on jaoin us now so u can be a real interisti yang menjadi saksi dalam match bersejarah ini kalau masih mau gabung bisa sms ke hape saya i tunggu sampai besok sore pukul 20.00 yah
Ciaoo
A R
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From: :: ij�� ::
To: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: [inter-mania] Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

nimbrung ah
ijoe 085234022823

Dedy <dedy@tungmung.co.id> wrote:
eh, g ikutan yah.
dedy(08561726693).

INTERisMYsoul

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From: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com [mailto:inter-mania@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of dyan wuriantoro
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:26 PM
To: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [inter-mania] Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

eh IAN di 085691377553
thanks
Forzaa inter


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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:21:08 +0700
From: Drury Lumenta <my.yudis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nonbar Super Coppa @ Inter Club Indonesia HO

apa itu "pecinat"...? wah oom kowoy ini ternyata jari kelingking lebih
agresif dibanding telunjuk (kalo pake 10 jari lho ngetiknya...).... :-p

[...naik motor:
start...dremmm....dremmmm.........dremmmmm.....ngeeeengggg....(kabur)....]

On 8/19/05, Kowoy Nich! <intermilis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kawans, Inter Club Indonesia mengajak semua pecinat inter milan untuk
> nonton bareng Super Coppa antara Inter vs Juventus. Kick of 01.45 minggu
> dini hari. Tempatnya di Markas Inter Club Indonesia (ICI) di Jl. Pela Raya
> No. 8 Kebayoran Baru Jakarta Selatan
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:28:27 +0700
From: Drury Lumenta <my.yudis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose him??

....wah cuman striker ya.....? A-10, R-20, M-30...ehm...susah milihnya.....
tapi kalo gaya setelah nge-gol-in, gue paling suka VDM.....he behaves like a
sniper......keren gila.....sayang....ga ketemu waktu cari gambar VDM dgn
gaya sniper di koleksi wallpapper inter.it....ada yang punya....?...bagi
donk...("Gary Salut" mode:on)

yudis

On 8/19/05, Dedy <dedy@tungmung.co.id> wrote:
>
> dulu, g paling suka lihat gaya bobo 'vieri'. hebat banget...
> sekarang, Martins its great, and greater than vieri. tp semua pemain Inter
> adalah pemain terbaik sejagat
> *INTERisTHEbestCLUBever*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* inter-mania@yahoogroups.com [mailto:inter-mania@yahoogroups.com]*On
> Behalf Of *Yuseppe
> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2005 1:06 PM
> *To:* inter-mania@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [inter-mania] ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose
> him??
>
> kalo gue sih dulu suka ama Ivan Zamorano !
> sempet suka ama si penghianat (tonggos) tapi sekarang
> jagoan gue si A10 !
> pengen tau alasannya? yg pasti die pemain 1NTER !!!
>
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:30:50 +0700
From: Drury Lumenta <my.yudis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Poll results for inter-mania

weh....voting jaman kapan ini...?

On 19 Aug 2005 11:59:51 -0000, inter-mania@yahoogroups.com <
inter-mania@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> The following inter-mania poll is now closed. Here are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: menurut teman2 siapa yang paling cocok
> menggantikan posisi javier zanetti
> sebagai kapten inter, apabila dia
> pensiun nanti, atau saat dia absen?!
> (pilihan boleh lebih dari satu)
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - fabio cannavaro, 3 votes, 7.14%
> - francesco toldo, 2 votes, 4.76%
> - crishtian vieri, 4 votes, 9.52%
> - ivan cordoba, 4 votes, 9.52%
> - cristiano zanetti, 2 votes, 4.76%
> - dejan stankovic, 2 votes, 4.76%
> - daniele adani , 1 votes, 2.38%
> - ze maria, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - cambiasso, 2 votes, 4.76%
> - adriano, 3 votes, 7.14%
> - emre, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - lamouchi, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - kily gonzales, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - farinos, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - davids, 2 votes, 4.76%
> - veron, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - vander meyde, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - karagounis, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - martins, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - cruz, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - ventola, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - choutos lampros, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - coco, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - recoba, 3 votes, 7.14%
> - burdisso, 1 votes, 2.38%
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:33:25 +0700
From: Drury Lumenta <my.yudis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

yudis:
0811293458

On 8/19/05, El ChInO mAgNiFiCiEnTo <el_chino@telkom.net> wrote:
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> ayo masih ada yang lain .... come on jaoin us now so u can be a real
> interisti yang menjadi saksi dalam match bersejarah ini kalau masih mau
> gabung bisa sms ke hape saya i tunggu sampai besok sore pukul 20.00 yah
> Ciaoo
> A R
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* :: ij�� :: <ijoenisti@yahoo.com>
> *To:* inter-mania@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2005 6:40 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [inter-mania] Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
>
> nimbrung ah
> ijoe *085234022823*
>
> *Dedy <dedy@tungmung.co.id>* wrote:
>
> eh, g ikutan yah.
> dedy(08561726693).
>
> INTERisMYsoul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com [mailto:inter-mania@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of dyan wuriantoro
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:26 PM
> To: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [inter-mania] Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy
>
>
> eh IAN di 085691377553
> thanks
> Forzaa inter
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: n Justice 4 all <kabulku@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

itut daptar donk om...
0815 1331 4705
kabul

thanks :)

--- El ChInO mAgNiFiCiEnTo <el_chino@telkom.net> wrote:

> ayo masih ada yang lain .... come on jaoin us now so u can be a real interisti yang menjadi
> saksi dalam match bersejarah ini kalau masih mau gabung bisa sms ke hape saya i tunggu sampai
> besok sore pukul 20.00 yah
> Ciaoo
> A R

Kalo ada duit yang basah, jangan di garang di atas kompor. Kalo ada kata saya yang salah, jangan disangka provokator.

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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:36:01 -0000
From: "virqy" <khebot_8@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose him??

Adrian0 donk... bangga gw punya striker sekelas dia yg mempunyai skill
dan kehebatan yg tinggi..

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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:41:10 -0000
From: "virqy" <khebot_8@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

Khebot di 081316789309 yg selalu ceria dimana saja. peace brooo

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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:07:08 +0700
From: "D.O.C 107" <darwinternazionale@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Poll results for inter-mania

wah cuman 1 yang pantas jadi Kapten!
Maaf, maksud saya Cordoba! Buktinya dia yg terbanyak... Sayangnya 1nter kok
kurang bisa mengangkat ataupun mengembangkan Kemampuan manajerial
Kepemimpinan pemain2ny Dilapangan ya? Te4rbukti jarang sekali ada pemain
1nter yg sukses pasca gantung sepatu......... :((

On 19 Aug 2005 11:59:51 -0000, inter-mania@yahoogroups.com <
inter-mania@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> The following inter-mania poll is now closed. Here are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: menurut teman2 siapa yang paling cocok
> menggantikan posisi javier zanetti
> sebagai kapten inter, apabila dia
> pensiun nanti, atau saat dia absen?!
> (pilihan boleh lebih dari satu)
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - fabio cannavaro, 3 votes, 7.14%
> - francesco toldo, 2 votes, 4.76%
> - crishtian vieri, 4 votes, 9.52%
> - ivan cordoba, 4 votes, 9.52%
> - cristiano zanetti, 2 votes, 4.76%
> - dejan stankovic, 2 votes, 4.76%
> - daniele adani , 1 votes, 2.38%
> - ze maria, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - cambiasso, 2 votes, 4.76%
> - adriano, 3 votes, 7.14%
> - emre, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - lamouchi, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - kily gonzales, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - farinos, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - davids, 2 votes, 4.76%
> - veron, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - vander meyde, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - karagounis, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - martins, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - cruz, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - ventola, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - choutos lampros, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - coco, 1 votes, 2.38%
> - recoba, 3 votes, 7.14%
> - burdisso, 1 votes, 2.38%
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:14:24 +0700
From: "D.O.C 107" <darwinternazionale@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: ur most fav inter's striker, and why u choose him??

Gue suka sapa ya????? (binun sendiri nih.......)
itus sebabny gue ga pernah pemain idola saat ini......
Kalo pun ada dia bernama Giuseppe Bergomi & Giacinto Facchetti-presiden
1nter saat ini! Mau tahu alasannya?
2 pemain ini seumur hidupnya disepakbola hanya bermain di 1NTERNAZIONALE
saja! Bisa dibilang Puro 100% e Internazionale!

On 8/19/05, virqy <khebot_8@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Adrian0 donk... bangga gw punya striker sekelas dia yg mempunyai skill
> dan kehebatan yg tinggi..
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:25:02 +0700
From: "D.O.C 107" <darwinternazionale@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

Gue juga mau ikutan..............
no gue 0856 50 37 619 (619 dibaca:big)

On 8/19/05, El ChInO mAgNiFiCiEnTo <el_chino@telkom.net> wrote:
>
> Salam hangat kepada seluruh interisti Indonesia
> Kabar gembira wahai teman-teman Ajang Supercoppa disiarkan oleh Indosiar
> tepatnya pada pukul 02.00 dini hari pada tanggal 21 agustus 2005 alias
> pada malam minggu ini so jangan lupa dan jangan kemana-mana mendingan di
> rumah aja dan aktifkan hp anda because SMS-BAR akan kembali bergulir mulai
> minggu ini dan sebagai anggota tetap Acara SMS-BAR yang menjadi ciri khas
> interisti di milis inter-mania ini saya mau mengundang partisipasi
> teman-teman sekalain yang mau ikut bergabung bersama kami. Adapaun acara ini
> adalah acara saling mengirim sms diantara interisti yang membahas analisa
> pertandingan, kelemahan dan kelebihan tim sehingga bisa instropeksi diri
> juga dan ketika tim Intertmilan yang kita cintai ini mencetak gol maka kita
> merayakannya dengan saling miss call sesama interisti agar dapat tetap
> bangun dan menyaksikan pertandingan bersejarah ini.......
> Diaharapkan agar dapat menggunakan Kartu IM3 agar terjadi keseragaman
> diantara kita semua tapi jika ada yang tidak punya juga jangan berkecil hati
> kok anda tetap boleh ikut bersama kami ....
> Jika ingin info lebih lanjut dapat menghubungi
> 1. Anand di 0812-7121005 (setiap hari pada jam kerja 08.00-20.00) dan di
> 085664640705 (nomor sementara saya karena kartu IM3 saya yang lama lagi
> dalam perbaikan)
> 2. Aji Yudho di 08561070519
> 3. Agus di 08562278758
> 4. Kowoy di 08567892198
> 5. Nico di 0818888791
> 6. Raymond di 08125869661
> 7. Reza Sagita di 085669301998
> 8. Uka Saca di 081311154111
> 9. Ade Sutami di 081310684493
> 10. Gunawan di 08557899468
> 11. IAN di 08158762352
> Apakah anda mau ikut makanya buruan daftar bisa melalui mail ini atau
> dengan langsung sms ke nomor saya aja yaitu Anand di 0812-7121005 tapi nomor
> ini tidak akan digunakan saat sms-Bar melainkan yang akan aktif yaitu
> 085664640705 so buruan daftar dan menjadi saksi dalam pertandingan
> bersejarah ini
> Salam hangat dari Anggota SMS-BAR
> Ciaoo
> Anand
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:50:49 +0800
From: "Raymond Adry" <Raymond.Adry@vico.co.id>
Subject: RE: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

Selain no yang ada di list no. 6, saya juga punya nomor IM3 yaitu
085652047076

From: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com [mailto:inter-mania@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of D.O.C 107
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:25 AM
To: inter-mania@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [inter-mania] Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

Gue juga mau ikutan..............

no gue 0856 50 37 619 (619 dibaca:big)

On 8/19/05, El ChInO mAgNiFiCiEnTo <el_chino@telkom.net> wrote:

Salam hangat kepada seluruh interisti Indonesia

Kabar gembira wahai teman-teman Ajang Supercoppa disiarkan oleh Indosiar
tepatnya pada pukul 02.00 dini hari pada tanggal 21 agustus 2005 alias
pada malam minggu ini so jangan lupa dan jangan kemana-mana mendingan di
rumah aja dan aktifkan hp anda because SMS-BAR akan kembali bergulir
mulai minggu ini dan sebagai anggota tetap Acara SMS-BAR yang menjadi
ciri khas interisti di milis inter-mania ini saya mau mengundang
partisipasi teman-teman sekalain yang mau ikut bergabung bersama kami.
Adapaun acara ini adalah acara saling mengirim sms diantara interisti
yang membahas analisa pertandingan, kelemahan dan kelebihan tim sehingga
bisa instropeksi diri juga dan ketika tim Intertmilan yang kita cintai
ini mencetak gol maka kita merayakannya dengan saling miss call sesama
interisti agar dapat tetap bangun dan menyaksikan pertandingan
bersejarah ini.......

Diaharapkan agar dapat menggunakan Kartu IM3 agar terjadi keseragaman
diantara kita semua tapi jika ada yang tidak punya juga jangan berkecil
hati kok anda tetap boleh ikut bersama kami ....

Jika ingin info lebih lanjut dapat menghubungi

1. Anand di 0812-7121005 (setiap hari pada jam kerja 08.00-20.00) dan di
085664640705 (nomor sementara saya karena kartu IM3 saya yang lama lagi
dalam perbaikan)

2. Aji Yudho di 08561070519

3. Agus di 08562278758

4. Kowoy di 08567892198

5. Nico di 0818888791

6. Raymond di 08125869661

7. Reza Sagita di 085669301998

8. Uka Saca di 081311154111

9. Ade Sutami di 081310684493

10. Gunawan di 08557899468

11. IAN di 08158762352

Apakah anda mau ikut makanya buruan daftar bisa melalui mail ini atau
dengan langsung sms ke nomor saya aja yaitu Anand di 0812-7121005 tapi
nomor ini tidak akan digunakan saat sms-Bar melainkan yang akan aktif
yaitu 085664640705 so buruan daftar dan menjadi saksi dalam pertandingan
bersejarah ini

Salam hangat dari Anggota SMS-BAR

Ciaoo
Anand

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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:03:05 +0700
From: Yuda Trijaya <yudatrj@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inga Inga SMS-BAR euy

gw gak mau ketinggalan nih...
yuda (08562302153)

-my heart is black and blue-

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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:29:51 +0700
From: Drury Lumenta <my.yudis@gmail.com>
Subject: Client asked me to do something in 3 months but I can do it ...

Berikut ini adalah diskusi yang saya temukan di salah satu newsgroup,
mungkin berguna untuk menambah pandangan rekan-rekan dalam ber-"bisnis"...
Inti topik:
Ada seorang programmer yang bernama Cortez, diminta oleh client-nya
menyelesaikan suatu "pekerjaan" bagi kepentingan bisnis client tersebut.
Cortez di beri waktu 3 bulan untuk menyelesaikannya. Tapi Bagi cortez
sendiri, pekerjaan itu adalah "piece of cake" (gampang banget) dan bisa
dikerjakan paling lama 1 minggu, bahkan di sanggup mengerjakannya dalam 14
jam saja. Apa yang harus Cortez katakan pada client-nya...bagaimana dia
menangapinya...?
Silahkan di simak....dan semoga bermanfaat.....
- yudis -
:-)
"Client asked me to do something in 3 months but I can do it in 1 week
tops. Should I just charge them three months worth of work and buy myself
some "easy street" time? Or should I wow them by doing it in a week?"
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005
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Never count yuor chickens...

Whatever you do don't tell them up front that you think you can have it done
in a week. You could end up losing face badly.

Agree to have it done in three months. If you get it done in a week, and are
happy it satisfies all their requierments, spend 2 weeks testing and deliver
it after one month.

They may have grossly over-estimated on this occasion, however if you
deliver it in one week then perhaps they will expect any future work to be
delivered super fast.

If you then can't meet their next deadline, they may think you are trying to
pull the wool over their eyes and earn a quick buck.
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Wow them by being honest.

1) it's the right thing to do
2) someone else is going to come along eventually and tell them the truth
and then your client may just turn around and file a lawsuit against you
3) if you are thinking about stealing 20-30k from your customer then please
find another line of work before you damage this one any further.

Phil
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I think you should be "relatively honest" ;-) with your customers
especially if you plan to make long term relations with them.
So, it'd better to say him that you may do it faster (say in two or three
weeks) but for higher hourly rate, for instance.
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Are you really sure you can do it in a week?
I don't see how you can complete any non trivial task in 1 week. Do you have
extremely detailed spec to work on? I bet you don't and believe me by the
time week ends, client's requirement would have changed a bit and you will
need to do bit more work. Have you factored in the time it will take to
communicate with client e.g. getting clarification for requirement,
technical limitation which you might face etc. Remember that client is not
standing next by to answer all your questions. They will take time to
respond and that will increase your project delievery time.

BTW, is client asking you to work on T & M basis? OR is it a fixed price
project with delivery within 3 months.

If it's a fixed price project, and if client is okie with delievery in 3
months, then I would charge them as much as they can bear and then deliver
the project in 1.5 months and delight them.

If it's T & M, I think you should simply work like you do normally and
deliver as and when project is complete.

JD
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It's an extremely simple task. They basically just want me to migrate a
database from a mainframe to SQL Server. They already extracted all the text
files for me and tey gave me the file definitions in an Excel sheet.

I've done this mny times before as part of ETL in data warehouses. I even
have Perl scripts that'll automatically create the SQL CREATE TABLE
statements right from the spreadsheets and then create tbe BCP scripts to
import them in.

They then want me to create a 3 page website that allows them to query the
data within a narrow scope. The client thinks this is very complex and was
worried I'd have trouble doing this in less then 3 months. I know I could do
it in about 14 hours.
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Why base the cost on time?

Base the price on value.

If they think it's worth the equivalent of 3 months of work, that's their
problem, not yours.

Hell, if you can have it done in 3 weeks, they should pay a premium ;-)
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Yeah - that's the other thing. They save 30K a year by having me do this. I
was thinking of charging them 30K and they'd be happy as can be.
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005
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Either they have overestimated or you are underestimating it. In both
cases, none of them is correct. Go with the flow, Complete it, Test it
thoroughly, document it, beautify it if time remains. The goal is to be with
them for the time they asked you to work on it and until they are completely
satisfied and provide more value for their money. I think not to keep the
'Finish it and Get out' attitude. And once done, they will only think of you
for the next task..
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Give them a fixed price quote. There's nothing wrong with that. Deliver
early in 2 months and be a miracle worker.

Don't be penalized just because you have already written custom tools that
will enable ou to do in 1 week what would take anybody else on this forum 3
months.

Get paid what you're worth and sleep easy at night.
Rich Rogers
Tuesday, August 16, 2005
A fixed price based upon the client's original estimate sounds intriguing.
However, what if they find out from someone else what the true level of
challenge was in this task?

Pricing according to value is morally OK. However, it's kind of like that
old debate about whether you would pay $8000 for (say) a new shirt to
replace one you are now wearing with a big coffee stain, for a job interview
you have in the next 10 minutes?

Even if you land the new job "because" of the shirt you purchased, you will
never do business with that party again.

So, there's some reputation risk here if you exploit the client's lack of
knowledge. Consulting relationships are built on trust.

I would probably split the difference and assign a "cost" based upon someone
more average and lacking your special tools, doing the same task. If I were
highly confident that it was a 1 week task for me, I would probably assign a
fixed cost based upon a multiple of my billing rate, such as 4 weeks. And
deliver in 1 to 2 months.
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On the OTHER hand: consultants are always highly vulnerable to being dissed
gratuitously by others who denigrate the difficulty of projects they've
delivered. I've had people with little knowledge of the technology dismiss
months of my hard work as a ripoff of the customer.

So, I am strongly inclined to tell you to disregard my previous post.

Who knows... try it and report back in.
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005
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If you can finish this task faster because you have extensive experience
and tools (you have developed on your own), then you should charge higher
fees to the client. Client should pay for the expertise you bring to the
table.
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005
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Give them a fixed price *with* a significant discount if you miss the 3
month deadline.

Do the project in the first week, confirm and validate data whichever way
you can for the next 1-2 weeks.

Deliver project after one month.

ALTERNATIVELY

Give them an hourly rate *with* a significant discount if you miss the 3
month deadline.

Do the project in the first week, confirm and validate data whichever way
you can for the next 1-2 weeks.

Deliver project after one month.

EITHER WAY

You will probably impress them with your speed. The only difference is how
much will it cost them?

Will they be angry that they paid so much for 1 month's worth of work when
they thought it would be 3?

If you see a television selling for $800 and it normally costs $1500, you'll
be happy. If you see the same TV two days later for $500, you're going to be
frustrated and annoyed.

Keep this in mind.
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005
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I agree with Rich Rogers and others who have suggested ideas in his general
direction.

Charge what it would have cost you to complete the task if you did not have
the automted tools you currently do. The trick is in figuring out how much
time it would take an average person in your position, without said tools,
to complete the job.
E
Tuesday, August 16, 2005
> Give them an hourly rate *with* a significant discount if you miss the 3
month deadline.

This is a date with disaster unless the requirements are set in stone (they
never are.) What's to stop them from delaying the project with the sole
intent of paying the discounted rate...
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005
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I'll condense this:

A highly specialized machine breaks down and the assembly line is completely
stopped. They bring in an engineer who works on these type of machines. The
guy walks in and looks over the whole thing, takes out a hammer, goes into
the contraption and taps once. Miraculously, the machine starts up again
perfectly after that hammer tap.

The engineer goes up to the customer and says, "That will be $10,000
please".

The customer says, "But you only worked for about a minute and did one
hammer tap!, why should I pay so much?"

The engineer replies, "Because it took me about 10 years to know enough
about this machine to know where to tap!"
steve
Tuesday, August 16, 2005
"This is a date with disaster unless the requirements are set in stone
(they never are.) What's to stop them from delaying the project with the
sole intent of paying the discounted rate..."

Well, of course.

In my contracts, I always have a clause that says "I need this information
[ftp info, db access, etc] by this date in order for these deadlines to
apply."

I also have a clause that says "any new, additional requirements will
require a re-evaluation of this proposal and modification to any and all
milestones and deadlines."
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005
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The minute you have to include "find out", as in "client might find out",
then you should re-think / do an ethics check.
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005
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Ok. Here it is, plain and simple. You'll love it:

An ex-employee is asked to come back onto a project as a consultant. A
machine [ part of the business backbone ] is broken. The
ex-employee/consultant is asked to fix it. The job is done. The business
manager gets an invoice a week later for $1,000,000. He balks at the price.
He demands a detailed invoice.

Replacement part $1.
Knowing where it goes, $999,999

The invoice was paid in full.
Brandon Doyle <http://brandonbert.bravejournal.com/>
Tuesday, August 16, 2005
^ Steve beat me to it.
Brandon Doyle <http://brandonbert.bravejournal.com/>
Tuesday, August 16, 2005
I would take as long as you need to ensure that:
1) You haven't misunderstood any of their requirements
2) Do a bullet-proof job
3) Create good documentation for them.

By being honest you're more likely to get additional work from them in the
future.
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Steve beat me to it as well, but understand that billing hours to a client
that you did not actually work for can get you a mean felony record. That is
what the OP implied that he/she was comfortable about doing. Pretty shady.

Accepting a dollar-per-task payment, on the other hand...
...But What Do I Know
Tuesday, August 16, 2005
Give them a fixed price quote and say it will be done in 3 months. Then
take your time and finish in 6 weeks.

Don't say it will be done in 3 months and then charge hourly and fudge your
hours. As someone pointed out, that is illegal.

Even if you are suspect enough to try to pull that off, I don't see how you
would spread your invoice over three months if it really will only take 14
days. Don't you itemize by time when you bill hourly?

Tuesday, August 16, 2005
He said "Should I just charge them three months worth of work". He did not
say "Should I just bill them three months of work". He did not say "Should I
just bill them 500 hours of work."
Rich Rogers
Tuesday, August 16, 2005
Rich - taken in context, when someone says they can do the work in one week
then use the phrase "...buy myself some 'easy street' time", the
implications to me are slightly more dubious...

maybe that should be a reality check for myself that I am becoming a little
too jaded for this industry.

or maybe not :P

either way its important to make sure all legal contractual issues are taken
care of.

My bad to the OP if I suggested bad vibes if none were intended.
...But What Do I Know
Wednesday, August 17, 2005
Lucky you!
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Wednesday, August 17, 2005
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How would you prefer to be treated if the roles were reversed.

That is how you should treat your customer. It is quite simple. Are you in
this business for the long haul or just to make a quick buck and get out.
Bill
Wednesday, August 17, 2005
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If the client is willing to spend the money for 3 months of work and it is
definitely not 3 months work, talk to him to find out additional
requirements and "nice to haves".

For example, explain them that instead of converting the database and
building some plain webpages, you can build a framework that can be re-used
for similar projects in the future.
Make sure to agree that you become owner of the codebase for the framework
so you can re-use/resell it later.

You will end up with a happier client, and 2.5 months of free development
for your own company.
lonely consultant
Wednesday, August 17, 2005
Did you ever think they may be testing you?

They seemed to know exactly what was needed to get the job done but then
the're brain dead beyond that point.

Hmmm
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Wednesday, August 17, 2005
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You don't want to finish it in a week.

A week is barely enough time to get an invoice to them and expect them to
pay. You might deliver the entire product and not have received a dime yet,
and may never.

Over the course of 3 months, you'll have plenty of time to see how they pay.
If it's badly, you already cut your losses at week number 2. ;)
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Thursday, August 18, 2005

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